i think during the first term, because of the incredible demands involved in preventing the economy from going into a great depression got a lot of leeway in terms of not spending personal time with member, leaders, both elected and non-elected, not opening up the white house. yop think he'll be able to do that and maintain his coalition over the next four years and i think that's going to require a lot of growth on his part. >> do you think it was legitimate, the criticism, even the suggestions he got, look, you've got to reach out more, even to people you don't like or agree with? >> some of it was legitimate, but what i don't think that people gave a fair amount of discussion to was the out-sized amount of venom direct the at this president. and i don't think that people had a real sense of just how bad things were in america. and i think that the president intentionally did not want to convey how terrible things were. because fundamentally, he's an optimist and the a pragmatist. so he really wouldn't walk around and describe to you, except in very rare times, how terrible things were